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Showing posts with label Milton Friedman. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Milton Friedman. Show all posts

Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Negative Income Tax & Flat Tax - Another Look

Many people probably have seen or heard the news that due to the current tax climate Phil Mickelson is reviewing his options and even considering a move out of state.

What is he complaining about?  He is complaining that 62-63% of his income is being taken in various forms of taxes - income, social security, disability, unemployment and more.
"If you add up all the federal and you look at the disability and the unemployment and the Social Security and the state, my tax rate is 62, 63 percent," Mickelson had said. "So I've got to make some decisions on what I'm going to do."  Phil Mickelson regrets airing opinion on taxes


Some would say hey he just has to pay his fair share and if that happens to be 60% then so be it.  The guy making 15k per year could never afford to live if 60% of his salary was wiped out in combined taxes.  Those that make 20 million annually well in reality that would leave them a fair amount of money to spend.
More then I'll make in a 10 year period.  However, what incentive does this person have to continue to earn 20 million if a majority of his earning will be taken in taxes.


Even the lower wage earner is actually being hit with a fair amount of taxes.  There is the ~7.6% for social security and medicare.  Then you have to throw the unemployment and disability taxes on top of that that amount to ~6%.  That is covered by the employer but, think of what happens when your self employed which is where Phil Mickelson falls.

Yes there are caps on how much income is figured in for social security and the like but, even the low wage earners are being hit.  Everyone forgets about that.  Lower wage earners generally will get most of their federal income tax back, and also much of the state tax if it is present.  But, they do not escape taxes all together.

Something interesting happened back in November in the state of California.  We had two competing tax propositions on the ballot.  They both claimed to be upping taxes to help fund the schools that have had their budgets slashed over the last few years due to the great recession.   One proposal was going to up the income tax on the wealthy, and add a 1/4¢ to the sales tax.  This money was to help the K-12 and college systems restore some funding.
The alternate proposal claimed to be sending the money directly to the school districts and was going to increase the income tax on everyone though still heavier on the wealthy.  Which do you think passed?
The one that effect the wealthy passed while the other went down in flames with about 75% of the people voting against it.  In reality the other did not pass by all that much.  A slight majority at 55%.

Why should any one be surprised?   People always vote in their self interest.  NO one really want to pay more in income tax.  But, they did not have a problem hitting the other guy deemed to be making a high income to pay "his fair share".

All this hardly promotes people to want to go out and make a gob of money.  And sadly if you can play a tax adviser $10,000 to save 80-90k in taxes who would not do it?   But, those folks in the middle get hurt the worst in all this.   They can't afford the high cost attorney or tax consultant, so they suffer.

This is where the idea of a flat tax comes in.  You make things predicable and fair.  However, some say that the poor will end up paying taxes they may not have paid before under the current system.  It is for this that a flat exemption be provided in many peoples cases.  Much like the standard deduction.  Even Milton Friedman has an idea of a negative income tax.  It's like the flat tax though those that make little or nothing get actually get money back. Much like the earned income credit currently out there. (see the video below for an explanation)


One way or the another a simplification of the system is very much in order.  And for a flat income tax to work you need it to cover all your income.  Investment and any other.  If you earn $5 on money in the bank that has to be in the pot.  If you win some money at a casino that has to be in the pot.  If you earn 30k because you sweat day in and day out at the car wash that has to be in the pot.  If you make some money off of a rental property that has to be in the pot.  ALL INCOME HAS TO BE INCLUDED FOR THIS TO WORK.



One of the big things many get concerned about is that any change in the tax system not make the poor poorer and the rich richer and also that it maintain a more or less similar flow in tax revenue.   For it does not good in many peoples minds to lower over all tax collection by say 1 trillion when the current budget is not reduced in any meaningful way.  Spending at the Federal level has to be considered.

Now some would say that as the income tax rates are lowered and the system cleaned up you may well find more people in the pool of taxable workers and in the end you get the similar amounts of tax revenue.

But, as Friedman mentions all the way back in 1968 you have to be careful to not decentivize those on welfare from attempting to earn some money.  For some of them earning a small amount of money would reduce the welfare amount and thus the $50 or $100 would cause them to come out with less.  Granted this is 1968 money and minimum wage back in the day was $1.60 so you can see how that works out.


We have to keep these things in mind when we work to reduce peoples dependence on welfare, food stamps and the like.  They system needs to be such that we incentivize people to get out and work and not just stay at home and have more kids just to get more money.


Buaidh - NO - Bas


Thursday, November 15, 2012

New Look at some Old Ideas by Milton Friedman

I have recently been turned onto some old PBS based presentations by economist Milton Friedman.
Turns out he is one of the most respected under recognized economist of the mid to late 20th century.   His presentations on PBS aired in the early 80's.

He really advocates for a more limited government and more free market.  Especially, he argues that we need to do it and not wait or try to make the rest of the world go along.  He thinks it will benefit us more even if there is unfair competition out there in the world.


His PBS series of ten(10) video segments and debate are very provocative.  He purports to not have all the ideas but, uses examples around the world where his ideas of limited government are helping to create a better of citizenry and also sights examples where the reverse is true.  He's very good to not make it exclusively about the United States.  As we have become more global and interconnected many of his ideas and principals have become more poignant, prudent and relevant.




I'm going to include a link to all 10 episodes.  Each one is a good hour long so it is a lot of heavy viewing.  He covers topics like schools, free markets, dealing with poverty, consumer regulation, and much much more.


Free to Choose: Part 1: Power of the Market



Free to Choose: Part 2: Tyranny of Control

Free to Choose: Part 3: Anatomy of a Crisis

Free to Choose: Part 4: From Cradle to Grave

Free to Choose: Part 5: Created Equal

Free to Choose: Part 6: What's Wrong with our Schools




Free to Choose: Part 7: Who Protects the Consumer

Free to Choose: Part 8: Who Protects the Worker

Free to Choose: Part 9: How to Cure Inflation

Free to Choose: Part 10: How to Stay Free


Well you may think that some of these topics or elements of discussion are dated.  True they seem to be as things have changed.  Interstate commerce restrictions seem to have been lifted.  Some changes have been made to welfare and the FDA seems to have improved their approval process for drugs.  At least more seem to be getting out into the market though it still can take years of testing.  However, due to some of things that have been brought up in these discussions may well have help win the election.   In light of the points and topics brought up here you might want to rethink Mitt Romney's 47% comment.

He's clearly a libertarian at heart.  And a laissez-faire kind of guy.

The ever difficult task is to find that proper balance of Government intervention and the free market.   To find the proper blend of hands off economics and general protections we expect to have in society.

I'd say that Mitt Romney was more of a Friedman economics guy then Obama, and clearly we would have likely been better off if he had been elected.  Only time and hindsight will tell...........

Just as it will with the whole Gay marriage debate!






So watch the videos if you have not already and become enlightened.   It might not make you change your mind completely but it could help you to see things from more then one side.


Buaidh - NO - Bas