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Monday, June 29, 2015

The Divine Institution of Marriage

The following is a repost. I take no credit for writing any of this material. To view the original post please click here The Divine Institution of Marriage


The Divine Institution of Marriage

Introduction 
In 1995, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints published “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” which declares the following truths about marriage:
We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children. . . .
The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity.[1]
Since the publication of that statement, there have been many challenges to the institution of marriage. Prominent among these challenges has been the recognition by several national governments and some states and provinces that same-sex marriage—formal unions between two individuals of the same gender—are the equivalent of traditional marriage. Yet God’s purposes for establishing marriage have not changed. One purpose of this document is to reaffirm the Church’s declaration that marriage is the lawful union of a man and a woman.
Another purpose is to reaffirm that the Church has a single, undeviating standard of sexual morality: intimate relations are acceptable to God only between a husband and a wife who are united in the bonds of matrimony.
A third purpose is to set forth the Church’s reasons for defending marriage between a man and a woman as an issue of moral imperative. The Church’s opposition to same-sex marriage derives from its doctrine and teachings, as well as from its concern about the consequences of same-sex marriage on religious freedom, society, families, and children.
A fourth purpose of this document is to reaffirm that Church members should address the issue of same-sex marriage with respect and civility and should treat all people with love and humanity.
The Vital Importance of Marriage
Marriage is sacred and was ordained of God from before the foundation of the world. Jesus Christ affirmed the divine origins of marriage: “Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”[2]
From the beginning, the sacred nature of marriage was closely linked to the power of procreation. After creating Adam and Eve, God commanded them to “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,”[3] and they brought forth children, forming the first family. Only a man and a woman together have the natural biological capacity to conceive children. This power of procreation—to create life and bring God’s spirit children into the world—is divinely given. Misuse of this power undermines the institution of the family.[4]
For millennia, strong families have served as the fundamental institution for transmitting to future generations the moral strengths, traditions, and values that sustain civilization. In 1948, the world’s nations issued the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, affirming that “the family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society.”[5]
Marriage is far more than a contract between individuals to ratify their affections and provide for mutual obligations. Rather, marriage is a vital institution for rearing children and teaching them to become responsible adults. Throughout the ages, governments of all types have recognized marriage as essential in preserving social stability and perpetuating life. Regardless of whether marriages were performed as a religious rite or a civil ceremony, in almost every culture marriage has been protected and endorsed by governments primarily to preserve and foster the institution most central to rearing children and teaching them the moral values that undergird civilization.
It is true that some couples who marry will not have children, either by choice or because of infertility. The special status granted marriage is nevertheless closely linked to the inherent powers and responsibilities of procreation and to the innate differences between the genders. By contrast, same-sex marriage is an institution no longer linked to gender—to the biological realities and complementary natures of male and female. Its effect is to decouple marriage from its central role in creating life, nurturing time-honored values, and fostering family bonds across generations.
In recent decades, high rates of divorce and out-of-wedlock births have resulted in an exceptionally large number of single parents. Many of these single parents have raised exemplary children. Extensive studies have shown, however, that a husband and wife who are united in a loving, committed marriage generally provide the ideal environment for protecting, nurturing, and raising children.[6] This is in part because of the differing qualities and strengths that husbands and wives bring to the task by virtue of their gender. As an eminent academic on family life has written:
The burden of social science evidence supports the idea that gender differentiated parenting is important for human development and that the contribution of fathers to child rearing is unique and irreplaceable. . . . The complementarity of male and female parenting styles is striking and of enormous importance to a child’s overall development.[7]
In view of the close links that have long existed between marriage, procreation, gender, and parenting, same-sex marriage cannot be regarded simply as the granting of a new “right.” It is a far-reaching redefinition of the very nature of marriage itself. It marks a fundamental change in the institution of marriage in ways that are contrary to God’s purposes for His children and detrimental to the long-term interests of society.
Threats to Marriage and Family
Our modern era has seen traditional marriage and family—defined as a husband and wife with children in an intact marriage—come increasingly under assault, with deleterious consequences. In 2012, 40% of all births in the United States were to unwed mothers.[8] More than 50% of births to mothers under age 30 were out of wedlock. Further, the marriage rate has been declining since the 1980s. These trends do not bode well for the development of the rising generation.
A wide range of social ills has contributed to this weakening of marriage and family. These include divorce, cohabitation, non-marital childbearing, pornography, the erosion of fidelity in marriage, abortion, the strains of unemployment and poverty, and many other social phenomena. The Church has a long history of speaking out on these issues and seeking to minister to our members with regard to them. The focus of this document on same-sex marriage is not intended to minimize these long-standing issues.
More recently, the movement to promote same-sex marriage as an inherent or constitutional right has gained notable ground in recent years. Court rulings, legislative actions, and referenda have legalized same-sex marriage in a number of nations, states, and jurisdictions. In response, societal and religious leaders of many persuasions and faiths have made the case that redefining marriage in this way will further weaken the institution over time, resulting in negative consequences for both adults and children.[9]
A large number of people around the world recognize the crucial role that traditional marriage has played and must continue to play if children and families are to be protected and moral values propagated. Because the issue of same-sex marriage strikes at the very heart of the family and has the potential for great impact upon the welfare of children, the Church unequivocally affirms that marriage should remain the lawful union of a man and a woman.
Unchanging Standards of Morality
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that God has established clear standards of morality for His children, who are accountable before Him for their behavior. Such standards cannot be changed by the reasoning, emotions, personal interests, or opinions of mortal beings.[10] Without the higher authority of God, as revealed in scripture and by His prophets, secular society will flounder and drift.
Many advocates of same-sex marriage argue that traditional standards of sexual morality have changed and that “tolerance” requires that these new standards be recognized and codified in law. If tolerance is defined as showing kindness for others and respect for differing viewpoints, it is an important value in all democratic societies. But as Elder Dallin H. Oaks has observed, “Tolerance does not require abandoning one’s standards or one’s opinions on political or public policy choices. Tolerance is a way of reacting to diversity, not a command to insulate it from examination.”[11]
The Savior taught that we should love the sinner without condoning the sin. In the case of the woman taken in adultery, He treated her kindly but exhorted her to “sin no more.”[12] His example manifested the highest love possible.
In addition to using the argument of tolerance to advocate redefining marriage, proponents have advanced the argument of “equality before the law.” No mortal law, however, can override or nullify the moral standards established by God. Nor can the laws of men change the natural, innate differences between the genders or deny the close biological and social link between procreation and marriage.
How Would Same-Sex Marriage Affect Religious Freedom?
As governments have legalized same-sex marriage as a civil right, they have also enforced a wide variety of other policies to ensure there is no discrimination against same-sex couples. These policies have placed serious burdens on individual conscience and on religious organizations.[13]
Same-sex marriage and anti-discrimination laws have already spawned legal collisions with the rights of free speech and of action based on religious beliefs. For example, advocates and government officials in certain states have challenged the long-held right of religious adoption agencies to follow their religious beliefs and place children only in homes with both a mother and a father. As a result, Catholic Charities in several states was forced to give up its adoption services rather than be forced to place children with same-sex couples.[14]
In the United States, the First Amendment right of free exercise of religion is coming under pressure from proponents of same-sex marriage. Some of these proponents advocate that tax exemptions and benefits should be withdrawn from any religious organization that does not accept such marriages.[15] The First Amendment may protect clergy from being forced to perform same-sex marriages, but other people of faith have faced and likely will continue to face legal pressures and sanctions. The same will happen with religiously affiliated institutions and educational systems. For example, a Georgia counselor contracted by the Centers for Disease Control was fired after an investigation into her decision to refer someone in a same-sex relationship to another counselor. In New Jersey, a ministry lost its tax-exempt status for denying a lesbian couple the use of its pavilion for their wedding. New Mexico’s Human Rights Commission prosecuted a commercial photographer for refusing to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony. When public schools in Massachusetts began teaching students about same-sex civil marriage, a Court of Appeals ruled that parents had no right to exempt their students.[16]
Similar limitations on religious freedom have already become the social and legal reality in several European nations, and the European Parliament has recommended that laws protecting the status of same-sex couples be made uniform across the European Union.[17] Where same-sex marriage becomes a recognized civil right, it inevitably conflicts with the rights of believers, and religious freedom is diminished.
How Would Same-Sex Marriage Affect Society?
The possible diminishing of religious freedom is not the only societal implication of legalizing same-sex marriage. Perhaps the most common argument that proponents of same-sex marriage make is that it is essentially harmless and will not affect the institution of traditional heterosexual marriage in any way. “It won’t affect your marriage, so why should you care?” is the common refrain. While it may be true that allowing same-sex marriage will not immediately and directly affect existing marriages, the real question is how it will affect society as a whole over time, including the rising generation and future generations.
In addition to undermining and diluting the sacred nature of marriage, legalizing same-sex marriage brings many practical implications in the sphere of public policy that will be of concern to parents and society.[18] When a government legalizes same-sex marriage as a civil right, it will almost certainly enforce a wide variety of other policies to enforce this. The implications of these policies are critical to understanding the seriousness of condoning same-sex marriage.
The all-important question of public policy must be: what environment is best for the child and for the rising generation? While some same-sex couples will obtain guardianship over children, traditional marriage provides the most solid and well-established social identity for children.[19] It increases the likelihood that they will be able to form a clear gender identity, with sexuality closely linked to both love and procreation. By contrast, the legal recognition of same-sex marriage may, over time, erode the social identity, gender development, and moral character of children. No dialogue on this issue can be complete without taking into account the long-term consequences for children.
As one example of how children will be adversely affected, the establishment of same-sex marriage as a civil right will inevitably entail changes in school curricula. When the state says that same-sex marriages are equivalent to heterosexual marriages, public school administrators will feel obligated to support this claim.[20] This has already happened in many jurisdictions, where from elementary school through high school, children are taught that marriage can be defined as a legal union between two adults of any gender, that the definition of family is fluid, and in some cases that consensual sexual relations are morally neutral.[21] In addition, in many areas, schools are not required to notify parents of this curriculum or to give families the opportunity to opt out.[22] These developments are already causing clashes between the agenda of secular school systems and the right of parents to teach their children deeply held standards of morality.
Throughout history, the family has served as an essential bulwark of individual liberty. The walls of a home provide a defense against detrimental social influences and the sometimes overreaching powers of government. In the absence of abuse or neglect, government does not have the right to intervene in the rearing and moral education of children in the home. Strong, independent families are vital for political and religious freedom.
Civility and Kindness
The Church acknowledges that same-sex marriage and the issues surrounding it can be divisive and hurtful. As Church members strive to protect marriage between a man and a woman, they should show respect, civility, and kindness toward others who have different points of view.
The Church has advocated for legal protection for same-sex couples regarding “hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches.”[23] In Salt Lake City, for example, the Church supported ordinances to protect gay residents from discrimination in housing and employment.[24]
The Church’s affirmation of marriage as being between a man and a woman “neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility toward gays and lesbians.”[25] Church members are to treat all people with love and humanity. They may express genuine love and kindness toward a gay or lesbian family member, friend, or other person without condoning any redefinition of marriage.
Conclusion
Strong, stable families, headed by a father and mother, are the anchor of society. When marriage is undermined by gender confusion and by distortions of its God-given meaning, the rising generation of children and youth will find it increasingly difficult to develop their natural identities as men or women. Some will find it more difficult to engage in wholesome courtships, form stable marriages, and raise another generation imbued with moral strength and purpose.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, along with many other churches, organizations, and individuals, will continue to defend the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, because it is a compelling moral issue of profound importance to our religion and to the future of society.
The final words in the Church’s proclamation on the family are an admonition to the world from the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles: “We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.”[26]
This document is a revised and updated version of “The Divine Institution of Marriage,” first published by the Church in 2008 (.pdf file).
References

[1] “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” Ensign, Nov. 1995, 102.
[2] Matthew 19:4–5.
[3] Genesis 1:28.
[4] See M. Russell Ballard, “What Matters Most Is What Lasts Longest,” Ensign, Nov. 2005, 41–44.
[5] United Nations, “Universal Declaration of Human Rights,” General Assembly Resolution 217 A (III), Dec. 10, 1948.
[6] David Blankenhorn, Fatherless America: Confronting Our Most Urgent Social Problem (New York: Basic Books, 1995); Maggie Gallagher and Joshua K. Baker, “Do Moms and Dads Matter? Evidence from the Social Sciences on Family Structure and the Best Interests of the Child,” Margins Law Journal 4:161 (2004); Mark Regnerus, “How Different Are the Adult Children of Parents Who Have Same-Sex Relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study,” Social Science Research 41:4 (July 2012): 752–70; Regnerus, “Parental Same-Sex Relationships, Family Instability, and Subsequent Life Outcomes for Adult Children: Answering the Critics of the New Family Structures Study with Additional Analyses,” Social Science Research 41:6 (Nov. 2012): 1367–77; W. B. Wilcox, J. R. Anderson, W. Doherty, et al., Why Marriage Matters, Third Edition: Thirty Conclusions from the Social Sciences (New York: Institute for American Values and National Marriage Project, 2011); M. E. Scott, L. F. DeRose, L. H. Lippman, and E. Cook, Two, One, or No Parents? Children’s Living Arrangements and Educational Outcomes around the World (Washington, D.C.: Child Trends, 2013; worldfamilymap.org/2013/articles/essay/two-one-or-no-parents); Andrew J. Cherlin, The Marriage-Go-Round: The State of Marriage and the Family in America Today (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2009).
[7] David Popenoe, Life Without Father (New York: The Free Press, 1996), 146.
[8] See J. A. Martin, B. E. Hamilton, M. J. K. Osterman, et al. Births: Final Data for 2012. National Vital Statistics Reports; vol. 62, no. 9 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, 2013).
[9] See Sherif Girgis, “Check Your Blind Spot: What Is Marriage?” Marriage, Feb. 15, 2013; thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/02/7942/; Lynn Wardle, “The Attack on Marriage as the Union of a Man and a Woman,” North Dakota Law Review, vol. 83 (June 2008): 1364–92; David Blankenhorn, The Future of Marriage (2007); Lynn Wardle, ed., What’s the Harm? Does Legalizing Same-Sex Marriage Really Harm Individuals, Families, or Society? (2008); R.R. Reno, “The Future of Marriage,” First Things, Jan. 2013, 3–4; Richard Neuhaus, “Disingenuousness and Clarity,” On the Square, May 30, 2008; firstthings.com/onthesquare/2008/05/disingenuousness-and-clarity.
[10] See Dallin H. Oaks, “No Other Gods,” Ensign, Nov. 2013, 72–75.
[11] Dallin H. Oaks, “Weightier Matters,” Ensign, Jan. 2001, 17.
[12] John 8:11.
[13] See Douglas Laycock, Anthony R. Picarello Jr., and Robin F. Wilson, eds., Same-Sex Marriage and Religious Liberty, Emerging Conflicts (Lanham, Maryland: Rowman and Littlefield, 2008).
[14] See usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/fortnight-for-freedom/upload/Catholic-Adoption-Services.pdf
[15] See Jonathan Turley, “An Unholy Union: Same-Sex Marriage and the Use of Governmental Programs to Penalize Religious Groups with Unpopular Practices,” in Laycock, Picarello, and Wilson, eds., Same-Sex Marriage and Religious Liberty: Emerging Conflicts, 59–76.
[16] Sherif Girgis, Ryan T. Anderson, and Robert P. George, What Is Marriage? Man and Woman: A Defense (New York and London: Encounter Books, 2012), 62–64.
[17] See Roger Trigg, Equality, Freedom, and Religion (London and New York: Oxford University Press, 2012); The Observatory on Intolerance and Discrimination against Christians in Europe, Report 2012 (Vienna, Austria, 2013); “European Parliament Resolution on Homophobia in Europe,” adopted Jan. 18, 2006.
[18] See Girgis, Anderson, and George, What Is Marriage? Man and Woman: A Defense.
[19] See endnote 6.
[20] Charles Russo, “Same-Sex Marriage and Public School Curricula: Preserving Parental Rights to Direct the Education of Their Children,” University of Dayton Law Review, vol. 32 (Spring 2007): 361–84.
[21] Gerry Shih, “Clashes Pit Parents vs. Gay-Friendly Curriculums in Schools,” The New York Times, Mar. 3, 2011, page A21A; John Smoot, “Children Need Our Marriage Tradition,” Public Discourse, June 13, 2013; thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/06/10344/; Challenging Homophobia and Heterosexism: A K-12 Curriculum Resource Guide, Toronto District School Board (2011).
[22] Parker v. Hurley, 514 F. 3d 87 (1st Cir. 2008); Fields v. Palmdale School District, 427 F.3d 1197 (9th Cir. 2005).
[23] mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-responds-to-same-sex-marriage-votes.
[24] See mormonnewsroom.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/statement-given-to-salt-lake-city-council-on-nondiscrimination-ordinances.
[25] mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-responds-to-same-sex-marriage-votes.
[26] “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” 102.

Wednesday, June 19, 2013

A few more thoughts on Marriage

Most of the talk these days is about gay marriage.  Oft forgotten is the fact that traditional marriage in America and around the world is falling by the way side.  Some even site this as a reason to allow for gay marriage....  "can't make things any worse"


In reality marriage has been under attack long before the gays started to make such a big deal out of it.  it may have started back in the free love days of the 60's and 70's.  The time when the sexual revolution began.  But, the seedy side of things has been a problem for years on end.
Child prostitution was an issues in England in the 1800's.  Royal families are full of less then legitimate heirs ..... some of which left their mark on history and did not just disappear in a convent somewhere.  Take Theresa Countess of Portugal the illegitimate daughter of Alfonso VI king of Leon and Castile.  Her son Alfonso Henriques became the first king of Portugal.


However, despite all this marriage has been falling apart for some time.  It is being attacked or damaged in a variety of ways.
First you have the fact that many states have made divorce "no fault".  That means you don't really need much of a reason to divorce your spouse.  Just claim differences that can not be resolved and presto.  Used to be you needed infidelity, or other types of abuse, or neglect.  That made people work on fixing things before heading to court.
Also there is a general attitude even among those interested in getting married that they will wait till they are better off financially, done with school etc.
Yes, once married you may have a kid or two come along fairly quickly.  Though delaying just creates other problems.
Along those same lines are those that feel let's just try things out for a time and see if it works out.  Then if things are going well we can officially hitch up even though we may have been living together for several years.  What does this create?  A higher rate of divorce for those that do get married after living together for a time.
Why?
Likely, it has to do with the lack of desire to fix things.  The lack of commitment that is created, and other related ideas and issues.



Then beyond the break down of marriage you have increasingly low birthrate in many countries due to the cost of living, and marriage related issues.  With persons delaying getting married you find also an increase in the delay of children or you find young children of older parents.  In the past people might get married by 20 and start setting up their own farm some where in the area of their families (farther west depending on land availability).  Thus the age span between generations is about 20 years +/- 5 years.
Now a days it is more like 30-40.  What a change.

So is there a solution to all this?
Is there something that can be done to fix society?  To strengthen marriage, make it more common place and at the same time make it better (better quality, more useful to society, more strengthening etc).
It may seem simple.  It may seem like 'why did I not think of that sooner'.  Just follow god's plan.  Spend time with your family and get your priorities right.  You find just this message in the below video.



One final thought.  Someone posted on facebook something along the following lines. 
'You can't read the bible in school.  But, they give them away for free in prison.  So maybe we wouldn't need to hand them out in prison, if we started to allow people to read the bible in school."
You get the point.

Want a book they likely won't tell you you can't read it at school?
Request a free copy here - Free not so banned book

Yes, we can fix things.  Hope is not all lost.  Stick with it and do what is right...... it will all work out in the end.


Buaidh - NO - Bas

Monday, May 27, 2013

Defending the Faith: A case for the traditional view of marriage - A repost

I'm re-posting an article in total.  None of the following is by written by me.

Published: Thursday, May 23 2013 5:00 a.m. MDT
Defending the Faith: A case for the traditional view of marriage



Universal legal acceptance of same-sex marriage may be, as its advocates triumphantly insist, inevitable in the United States. Several states now recognize such marriages, the trend seems to be sweeping Western Europe, and surveys consistently show high and rising support for gay marriage among younger people.
Such survey results aren’t altogether surprising. “Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart,” Winston Churchill once remarked. The campaign for same-sex marriage has successfully framed itself as a quest for compassion, justice and equality in the face of unreasonable prejudice — which makes it difficult (and rather dangerous) to resist.
But Churchill went on to say, “Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”
This may suggest that the battle over same-sex marriage isn’t quite over yet. Audiences for classical music tend to be gray-haired, and some have concluded, therefore, that classical music is doomed. When the current audience moves on to the celestial concert hall on high, they lament, no audience will remain. But such fears are at least a century old now. New audiences have, in fact, replaced departing ones, and classical music survives despite the prophecies. With age, attitudes and tastes change.
More fundamentally, though, polls and trends demonstrate only that a view is popular, not that it’s correct. The question remains: Should society legally recognize gay marriage?
Many who oppose doing so have struggled to justify their opposition — not only to others, but to themselves. Religious reservations, for instance, don’t translate well into discussions with non-believers. (“The prophet said so” works for most believing Latter-day Saints, but carries no weight with non-Mormons.) Inarticulate opposition can easily be caricatured — even demonized — as irrational prejudice.


And the cultural and academic elites arguing for “marriage equality” have argued eloquently, using the popular media with great skill. Accordingly, tongue-tied resistance to same-sex marriage has tended to crumble — even among some otherwise believing Latter-day Saints, and particularly among Mormon youths.
The 2012 book “What is Marriage? Man and Woman: A Defense” and its accompanying website at whatismarriagebook.com, deserve wide readership, therefore, and will, I believe, help beleaguered defenders of traditional marriage. The book methodically presents a concise, calm, lucid case for the proposition that legal recognition should be limited to marriage as marriage has been universally defined for millennia.
Its authors aren’t frontier rubes, driven by hatred. "What is Marriage?" grows out of an article published in the “Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy.” Sherif Girgis is a former Rhodes Scholar studying for a law degree at Yale and a Ph.D. in philosophy at Princeton. Ryan Anderson, a graduate of Princeton, is a doctoral candidate in political philosophy at Notre Dame and a fellow at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C. Robert George (J.D., Harvard; D. Phil., Oxford) is McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University and a visiting professor at Harvard Law School.
They appeal to neither religion nor revelation, though they worry about the future of religious freedom if same-sex marriage becomes the legal norm, and they express no hostility to homosexuals. In fact, their case is fundamentally a philosophical argument, informed by social science, for a particular view of marriage — the “conjugal view,” as they call it — rather than against gay unions.



Revised versions simply aren’t properly marriage at all, they argue, but dangerous redefinitions. (“How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?” Abraham Lincoln once asked in quite a different context. He then answered his own question: “Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.”)
Robert George has been defending this understanding of marriage — and opposing what he sees as marriage-weakening measures such as “no fault” divorce — for many years now, since long before same-sex marriage even became a prominent issue.
For those wondering how to defend their instinctive discomfort with same-sex marriage in the public sphere, “What is Marriage?” will, I think, be very useful. It’s not light reading, but it’s clear, and it merits slow, reflective and careful study. Those troubled by conflict between their natural commitment to charity, equality and justice, on the one hand, and, on the other, the church’s opposition to same-sex marriage will find it helpful in clarifying their thinking, and perhaps in resolving their unease.
And, finally, supporters of same-sex marriage will plainly see that dissent from their position can be based on something other than irrational bigotry. Perhaps they’ll even change their minds.
Daniel Peterson, professor of Islamic studies and Arabic, edits BYU's Middle Eastern Texts Initiative, directs MormonScholarsTestify.org, chairs "Interpreter: A Journal of Mormon Scripture," blogs daily at Patheos, and speaks (at most) for himself.



Buaidh - NO - Bas

Monday, April 22, 2013

Another way to look at the Gay Marriage Issue and how Ridiculous it has gotten

So yesterday there was a visitor at church.  He was doing some kind of report for his anthropology class.  He had lots of questions.  It was unclear if he had attended a meeting in the past or not.  He claimed to work with a member and was familiar in a general sense with some of the basic teachings.

So why do I bring this up?  And what does a person coming to do a anthropology report on a church have to do with gay marriage?

Well as always the issues of polygamy was brought up.  Polygamy was at one point practiced by the  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints up until the Official Declaration 1 was published.
So due to various pressures the practice was given up.  It was not a wide spread practice and I've read maybe no more then 10% of the population was engaged in it.  A person entering into take a 2nd 3rd or 4th wife would have to have the financial means to support said additional family.  I happen to come from strong LDS families on both sides but, there was only one that practiced plural marriage.



One explanation given to the visitor at the time was the lack of able bodied men.   The need to care for many widowed or single women.  The Lord had his purposes at the time and those purposes were fulfilled years after the Salt Lake valley was settled.
I always like to refer back to Abraham.  Almost everyone will agree he was a prophet.  And he had more then one wife.  So over time and due to differing circumstances the Lord may authorize plural marriage.  In other times and circumstances he does not.

Currently there are a few splinter group that practice plural marriage in some form or another and claim to be Fundamentalists.  That in itself could be a whole other topic of discussion. 




So what then is the connection to Gay Marriage?
Well people are getting so bent out of shape over the need/desire to have men marrying men and women marrying women that they have decided to push it on the whole of the populous.  They sit and make claims that it is their God given right, that they were born that way and can not help having an attraction to people of the same sex, etc.
This all defeats the purpose for why were are here on earth.

Genesis 1:27-28
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and bfemale created he them.
 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

it is interesting to note that he created first Adam and then Eve. he did not not create Adam and then Steve.  For that would not allow them to procreate and "multiply and replenish the earth."

So keeping that in mind we have a clear idea as to why go did what he did.  This is also why we can not support gay marriage.
For this will never allow for us to multiply and replenish the earth.

So again why the link between these to types of marriage.
If they in the end decide that Gay marriage or marriage of two persons of the same sex is legitimate.... they must also reexamine a plenitude of other types of marriage.  Why then can not one say they want to be married to their dog Fido, or that getting married to their sister is wrong.  Also you have to reexamine why polygamy is banned.  You have to say why can't more then one guy get married to one lady, or a man have more then one spouse.

This whole thing opens up a can of worms that I think a lot of people including the Supreme Court of the United States of America do not want to touch.




One of them stated something when hearing oral arguments that we would be messing with centuries of proven case history and "this has been around for less time then the cell phone and the internet".  Due to this unproven situation many don't want to try.  Also some got the other direction and say due to the fact we don't have any case history to the contrary why not?
Well in that case Bob might as well marry Fido so he can have relation with said Fido.... we have no case history on that as well.

We do have a bit of case history on Polygamy.  Real plural marriage with consenting adults of proper age and the like.  We also have some case history with those having plural marriage with under aged not so consenting persons.

We can provide and not provide documentation on the harms and unknowns all day.  So it comes down to what marriage in the end really means.  Is it a legally defined act that really has nothing to do with religion or religious beliefs or is it something more.

That's the issue the Supreme court has to look at.

At what point do you draw the line.  At what point to do you say the this will not provide for "multiplying and replenishing the earth"?

So the next time someone tries to ram down your throat or forcefully claim your being discriminatory by apposing gay marriage just throw out there polygamy.  Find out what their opinion is on this type of marriage.  Then you'll find they they may very well have some biases and hopefully they will find how much they have reservations as well.... that their own point of view is a little narrow.

And frankly let's get this monkey wrench out into the works.  Let's gum up the gears and force people to look at things a little differently...... and after they have just do the following:

"President Kimball said we should hate the sin but love the sinner."
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.  John 8:7

Buiadh - NO - Bas


P.S. 
It has come to my attention that I am not the only one seeing a link between the Same-Sex marriage argument and Polygamy.
See the following article for more......

Slate Writer Argues for Polygamy