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Thursday, March 20, 2014

The Conspiracy - Holocaust and World War II

I've been fascinated for some time on how it was that the Nazis were able to pull off what they did during World War II.
How Hitler rose to power and all the things generally associated with the war.

So I found a movie at the library called Conspiracy that details what went on at the Wannsee conference in 1942.  This was a secret meeting held near Berlin to as it is called "come up with a final solution to the Jewish Question.  Or resolve the Jewish Question."
Very Stale movie in reality.  To much Heil Hitler in the beginning and clearly racist throughout.

 
A full version of the movie all 1 1/2 hours.

What I find interesting is how it is detailed in the movie that everyone in a general sense was worried about having some legal claim as they "evacuated" the Jews.  You see they wanted to have some legal claim to stand on.  That all the relocating, sterilization, and eventual gassing was  OK per some legal definition.
The other things that becomes clear is that by that point they had already begun to experiment with ways of "evacuating" the Jews on a mass scale.  Originally, it seemed that this was the conference that defined the policy of the Holocaust.  Reality, is it was simply a meeting of mid level military personnel and ministry heads to convey the message that you need to do everything you can to help the Reich to "evacuate" the Jews.  They were receiving the policy not making the policy.
You see things can be deceptive.  If you think of this as the first time they come up with a policy to kill Jews in mass then you will truly believe that in 3 short years - 6 million dead is just amazing. Reality indicates they were not so efficient.  Detractors have clearly presented in some videos what they believe is the lies of the holocaust.  They'll even tell you how they should have done it if they were to have killed the numbers professed.   They basically prove through their critics that the Holocaust did happen.  That there was a concentrated effort by the Nazis to exterminate the Jews, in mass.  And had they been given more time may have succeeded. If you give them only the 3 years from the 1942 Wannsee meeting you'd have on average 5000 persons killed per day.  Even spreading this among 3-4 death camps that number is huge. So I concur with the skeptics the numbers do not totally match up.  They never will since only portions of the death are documented. However, per things I got from the movie they'd been killing off people in various forms for some time before the Conference.  They mention use of gas trucks, and the Ghettos in places like Poland were already in full force.  So how many people died each year from the beginning of the war? Did it ramp up drastically after this conference?  NO doubt about it.  But, many had already died.
Locations of Death and concentration camps World War II Europe





What I always believe is if they had started earlier, and been even more organized then they were you really might have had a complete extermination of the Jews in some places.  As it stands the majority of the deaths of Jews comes from Poland and they were nearly cleared out.
Had they had another year or two what could have happened?
Holocaust death totals by country






The estimated total number of people executed in the Nazi camps in the table below is over three million:
Camp Estimated
deaths
Operational Current country of location Primary means for mass killings
Auschwitz–Birkenau 1,100,000[30] May 1940 – January 1945 Poland Zyklon B gas chambers
Bełżec 600,000[31] 17 March 1942 – end of June 1943 Poland Carbon monoxide gas chambers
Chełmno 320,000[32] 8 December 1941 – March 1943,
June 1944 – 18 January 1945
Poland Carbon monoxide vans
Majdanek 80,000[33] October 1, 1941 — July 22, 1944 Poland Zyklon B gas chambers
Maly Trostinets 200,000[34] Summer of 1941 to 28 June 1944 Belarus Mass shootings, Carbon monoxide van
Sajmište 23,000–
47,000
28 October 1941–July 1944 Serbia Carbon monoxide van
Sobibor 250,000[35] 16 May 1942 – 17 October 1943 Poland Carbon monoxide gas chambers
Treblinka 800,000[36] 22 July 1942 – 19 October 1943 Poland Carbon monoxide gas chambers
Total 3,115,000–
3,215,000



a table listing estimates of deaths at concentration camps from wikipedia.org
Some will try and pass off the holocaust as something run by a few 'wack jobs' that did not represent the whole of German society.  There are film clips available that show local resident near some of the camps being forced to take a tour shortly after liberation.  Many wanted to be sick.....  but you have to wonder how it is they never smelled anything coming from the direction of the camps.
This is well shown how the local family of the camp director just ignored the things going on so close to them in basically their back yard in - The Boy in the Striped Pajamas.
The general consensus within the population was that they wanted the Jews Gone.  They then turned a blind eye to how it happened.


Something of a parting thought.   Could this type of thing happen in our day and age?
With our 24 hours news cycle, Internet connectivity, and global interconnectedness is is really possible this type of mass extermination could occur.

Some would say that it has.  Look to Africa  being the forgotten continent.  The place that war seems a constant and people in power regularly are 'rubbing out' the opposition that in many cases of a different ethnic tribe.

Our challenge is to get beyond the hatred, bigotry and become more loving and friendly to those around us.  To be more open to new ideas, religions and peoples....  not to the point of losing our own identify but, more along the lines of co-existing for the greater good.

For every culture, race or religion has it's good points and it's less then savory sides.
You can find what your looking for if you search hard enough.


Buaidh - NO - Bas

Monday, December 23, 2013

Political Correctness?


I feel I have to define political correctness before we move along in this post.  This definition comes straight off a Google search.


po·lit·i·cal·ly cor·rect
pəˈlitik(ə)lē/
adjective
adjective: politically correct; adjective: politically incorrect; adjective: incorrect
  1. 1.
    exhibiting (or failing to exhibit) political correctness.
    "it is not politically correct to laugh at speech impediments"
    synonyms:unoffensive, nondiscriminatory, unbiased, neutral, appropriate, nonpartisan; More
    informalPC
    "the true meaning may be clouded by his politically correct language"
    antonyms:offensive

With that out of the way we can see how this is effecting society in a broader sense.

Most likely you have heard of the Duck Dynasty controversy where some comments made during an interview with GQ magazine we declared to be homophobic and  not politically correct.
So you say what could it be so bad that multiple gay rights groups started hating on Phil Robertson the patriarch of the family.  We I'll have to quote directly.

“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

The article has some odd course language in it that come from the writer.  I'm not sure it was necessary in reality.

So we see some over the top comments here.  Things that could potentially offend people.  But, here is the problem with political correctness.  Some times if you call the kettle black you get lambasted for doing so.  The other issue with political correctness is that depending on the source it is OK, and at other times it is not.  There is a definite double standard on comments in the political correctness arena.   "the good is called bad, and the bad called good".

The worst is how he quotes scriptures loosely (no specific scriptural reference is given in the article) and gets attacked for it.  The part that is hardest to understand is

Here is a good way to sum up what the political correctness thing is doing to society.





"In other words, A & E—like ESPN/ABC before them—believes that their "Duck Dynasty" audience is outraged, disgusted, or whatever by Phil the duck guy, and that enough of this audience would change the channel if Phill stayed on that A & E would lose money. Is A & E correct in this belief? Time will tell. - OldCoyote"

See there is fear here.  People do not feel free to voice their opinion out of fear someone will call them insensitive, bigoted, homophobic or racist.  The whole freedom of speech (within limits) has been thrown out the window.  Feelings or perceived feelings are more important then reality.

At what point can we just get pasted the issue of your comments are going to offend someone and there is nothing that can be done about it.  Each little one percent minority group (sexual, racial, economic, etc) can't have everyone skewered and hung out to dry for every little comment.
NO I do think the line has to be drawn when one is inciting violence or the like.

Now some may argue that if this type of political correctness was in place in Nazi Germany then we would likely not have ended up with the holocaust the way we did.  Hard to say since that would be rewriting history.  Censoring ones comments in public also does not fix ones real at home or private opinions and actions.

It really does get hard to have a minority portion of the population push their views on the rest of society.    We have to stop this "whom ever yells/complains the loudest wins" type of situation.
Tolerance has to go both ways.  it is like a two way street.  Unfortunately a bicycle is plugging things up and making people turn around because they are being inconvenienced.  We have to stop that and get our heads out of the clouds.  We have to put things in to more black and white terms.  To clear up the murkiness that comes with political correctness, with redefining things to your benefit.

"But one thing is certain: the commandments have not changed. Let there be no mistake about that. Right is still right. Wrong is still wrong, no matter how cleverly cloaked in respectability or political correctness. We believe in chastity before marriage and fidelity ever after. That standard is an absolute standard of truth. It is neither subject to public opinion polls nor dependent upon situation or circumstance. There is no need to debate it or other gospel standards."
Like a Flame UnquenchableOf the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles



 
This sketch shows political correctness going over board.   Have we gotten to this point in society today?

 
"MSNBC & The Great Liberal Narrative: The Truth About The Tyranny of Political Correctness"

George Carlin On Politically Correct Language


After you watch these videos you will find that they include the extreme.  You might say they are so extreme that it might never happen.  But take the respond of the GLAAD spokesperson that the Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty was spouting lies. 
"GLAAD spokesman Wilson Cruz had an immediate response.
“Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil’s lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe,” Cruz said. “He clearly knows nothing about gay people or the majority of Louisianans — and Americans — who support legal recognition for loving and committed gay and lesbian couples"  ‘Duck Dynasty’ Star Bashes Gays

How off base can you get.  I fail to see the lie in the opinion as quoted out of the magazine article.
This is the problem with political correctness.  Claim the other is lying and shout louder then them and you win much of the time.  Make it hard to see the fact.... read the whole comment or opinion in context.   This is what they love to do...... Throw things at the wall hoping things will stick and that society in general will not look to closely at the details.

I'm reminded of the Emperor's New Cloths by Hans Christian Andersen.   It took a simple innocent young boy to say the truth about the non existent cloths.  Everyone was to afraid to offend, make feel bad or just plain be "Politically incorrect".   They did not want to call the kettle black.  Instead it became green or purple or something else.....
And that is what we have to fight today.




We have to fight the twisting of the truth to make it fit the narrative we want or they want.   We have to present the truth as we find it and help people come to their own conclusions.

That is one reason I like my church so much.  We don't say for you to just take our word for it.  Or to join or stay a member just because your parent is.  We say..... "Go and provide it"; "Ask the higher source if it really is what he has placed on earth!".   How many other organization, religions etc are willing to put it all on the line?

Buaidh - NO - Bas

A few of the many articles out there on the duck dynasty subject and other politically correct situations.

‘Duck Dynasty’ Star Thanks Fans for ‘Support’: ‘We’ve Had Kind of a Crazy Week’
‘Duck Dynasty’ Star Bashes Gays
‘Duck Dynasty’: Phil Robertson Anti-Gay Sermon Surfaces (Video)
No Other Gods By Elder Dallin H. Oaks Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
The Moral Force of Women By Elder D. Todd Christofferson Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
Readers React to GQ's 'Duck Dynasty' Story and Phil Robertson's Indefinite Suspension
Bill Maher & Dennis Miller on Free Speech vs Political Correctness (2002)